Leonard Hatred 12:12 Wed Dec 20
Is it tyres or tires?
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I've never been sure of this.
Further exacerbated by this evening's association football matches.
West Ham's sleeve sponsors are MRF TYRES.
Manchester City's sleeve sponsors are Nexen TIRES.
WHAT THE FUCKING HELL'S GOING ON?
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Lato
5:56 Wed Dec 20
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They can't even pronounce the letter Z correctly
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Mart O
4:00 Wed Dec 20
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TYRESOME.
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gph
3:53 Wed Dec 20
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I seem to have got that wrong - Fowler's while it was written by Fowler himself, goes with the earlier OED rule, but when it was taken over by other people, it doesn't.
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steveiron64
2:58 Wed Dec 20
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Tyres - UK spelling.
Tires - US spelling.
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ironsofcanada
2:09 Wed Dec 20
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Gavros 2:00 Wed Dec 20
Well you must forgive us all on that one. As its discoverer first called it alumium then both aluminum, and aluminium.
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Bungo
2:04 Wed Dec 20
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I like all the inconsistencies in English.
Better than dumbing it down to make it easy for the ignorant.
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Gavros
2:00 Wed Dec 20
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Aluminium follows the Latin, I believe. Platinum doesnt. we should either go the whole hog with Platinium or do what the Americans do.
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geoffpikey
1:50 Wed Dec 20
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Wasn't "aluminium" simply the result of a misspelling on a cargo shipment?
Hope so. It might convince the missus why she's getting a Dolce & Banana handbag for Christmas.
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Robson
1:35 Wed Dec 20
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There are plenty of Americanisms we should rightly despise. A TV series being called a 'season' for example. But there are plenty of misunderstandings in there, as already pointed out.
Aluminum is another one. It was always aluminum, then we added an extra i to make it aluminium. But for some reason we didn't do the same to platinum, so we're not only incorrectly blaming the yanks but we're being inconsistent with it.
I was talking to someone the other week about where the American accent comes from the other day. Apparently the current theory is that that's how we used to speak in England, but we changed our accent. So yet again it's actually our fault.
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BRANDED
1:23 Wed Dec 20
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Tries, But fails
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ironsofcanada
1:21 Wed Dec 20
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gph 1:01 Wed Dec 20
Well since you don't know Greek (or Latin if I remember correctly) maybe trust the people at OED (first edition 1884) who did know both very well.
I hope you are remembering that first reason incorrectly because what is ridiculous is to suggest that someone would have to know source languages to write English correctly. Many people write many words correctly all the time, blissfully unaware of their origins.
On your second point - there have been lots of words formed later in English (because that is what we do in English) - "bastardize, foreignize, jeopardize, villanize, womanize gormandize, and such nonce-words as cricketize, pedestrianize, tandemize,"
but the meaning the suffix -ise/ize- is still from Latin and Greek.
One can mix language origins in English and still have a valid word - unpopular - "un" from OE and "popular" from French/Latin - that does not stop the "un" part from being a remnant of OE.
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Bungo
1:05 Wed Dec 20
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, 11:57 Wed Dec 20
Appreciation of such fine detail is what separates us pedants from the ignorant hordes.
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Willtell
1:04 Wed Dec 20
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Yup that clears it up gph....
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gph
1:01 Wed Dec 20
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As I remember it, at least, Fowler's Dictionary of Modern English Usage describes the former English practice of using Greek etymology to determine which verbs to give -ise and which -ize, as ridiculous (because a person would need to know Ancient Greek to write modern English) and deficient (because not all -ise/-ize verbs come from Greek).
As I don't know Greek, I can't remember which verb class was supposed to lead to -ise verbs in English, and which to -ize.
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Willtell
12:56 Wed Dec 20
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Where I live it is PNEUS.
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ironsofcanada
12:54 Wed Dec 20
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Gph
That is no way what happened. -ize- , As you can see has always been a British spelling, a lot of popular writing in England decide to go the French way when that was the hip thing to do. (Think of adding 'innit' to everything today for a parallel.) -Ize- had not died out or anything like that in British usage, unlike tyre for instance.
The Press decide to go the way they though was more consistent with where suffix came from. They were not going to American English for it.
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gph
12:44 Wed Dec 20
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There's plenty of American spellings that USED to be British ones.
The OED is just being perverse in arguing that American spelling in this case is NOW British spelling.
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ironsofcanada
12:37 Wed Dec 20
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gph
Sorry the other reason the OUP adopted -ize- as their style was that it etymologically matched the Greek (and then the Latin) from where English ultimately got the suffix (rather than the intermediate French step of the -ise-)
Its not like there is an -ise- in OE.
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ironsofcanada
12:28 Wed Dec 20
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gph 11:04 Wed Dec 20
There is good reason for that gph. The OED is a historic dictionary so it rightly takes into account the use of -ize in the British Isles.
It is not an American spelling, really.
They can explain it better than I:
"Many people visiting the World (non-US) version of our website ask us why we spell words such as realize, finalize, and organize with ‘-ize’ spellings, rather than ‘-ise’. There’s a widespread belief that these spellings belong only to American English, and that British English should use the ‘-ise’ forms instead, i.e. realise, finalise, and organise.
In fact, the ‘-ize’ forms have been in use in English spelling since the 15th century: they didn’t originate in American use, even though they are now standard in US English. The first example for the verb organize in the Oxford English Dictionary is from around 1425, from an English translation of a treatise on surgery written by the French physician Guy de Chauliac:"
It is a similar case for a lot of Americanism, as I mentioned before, so I find it funny that people get so upset about them. Funny but not surprising, as we humans big up our version of things and try to make it the ur-version all the time.
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,
11:57 Wed Dec 20
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I see the pedants dove into this thread.
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gph
11:04 Wed Dec 20
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Remember, it's ioc and Infidel's beloved Oxford that is the primary British propagandiser for the American spelling of the "-ise" suffix.
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